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Ravi Jain replied to Kevin Lester's discussion Teaching Math with History--resources in the group Math & Science Teachers
"No, I have that Quadrivium book and it's really pretty.  The substance is not superb, but I display it at school to light the imaginations of my students.  It's worth the price and it's a quick read.  Just don't…"
Aug 1, 2012
Ravi Jain replied to Kevin Lester's discussion Teaching Math with History--resources in the group Math & Science Teachers
"Hey Kevin, There is a great website for higher math and history that fellow teacher Michael Forth discovered hosted by some professors at New Mexico State University.  It's here http://sofia.nmsu.edu/~history/ The best bet for you,…"
Jul 31, 2012
Joel left a comment for Ravi Jain
"Thanks for the response (though it seems the end got cut off). I'm technically not a teacher yet. Our first child is due any day now, and we will probably be educating our children at home. For years now I have been trying to learn more about…"
May 25, 2012
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"Hi Joel,      Thanks for the great questions.  Before I answer let me contextualize my comments a little bit.  I really do enjoy teaching math and science from the primary source documents.  And I'm looking to find…"
May 25, 2012
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"I recently listened to your talk on the quadrivium here: http://www.societyforclassicallearning.org/index.php/resources/media/2-2010-conference-recordings In the talk you urge caution when teaching via original sources (e.g., Euclid for geometry).…"
May 16, 2012
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Dec 23, 2011
Ravi Jain replied to Michael Patrick Forth's discussion Cross-Disciplinary Projects in the group Math & Science Teachers
"By dealing with the history of mathematics there can be a lot of crossover in the thinkers with other classes.  For example, if you do Descartes in your algebra II reader, then you could also read Discourse on Method and Pascal's Pensees.…"
Dec 19, 2011
Ravi Jain replied to Michael Patrick Forth's discussion Algebra 2 Readers & Primary Source Material in the group Math & Science Teachers
"Start with the Geometric Algebra of Euclid's Elements, then go to Diophantus, make a pit stop in Al Gwarizhmi's Al Jibr, and then move towards the Italian algebraists like Girolamo Cardano (and his friend Tartaglia), Viete seems like…"
Dec 19, 2011
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Dec 9, 2011
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Irrationals and Empiricism

I am constantly taunted by the connection between deduction and induction.  They are so intertwined in all our knowing that the process of separating them out is almost mystifying to me.  I have been browsing through Thomas Torrance' book "Divine and Contingent Order," and found a quote there that I love, but few share my interest.  I thought the classical educator math forum might be my last best hope.Check this out from Torrance and Leibniz, "Within this framework, contingence, if it is not…See More
Dec 9, 2011
Ravi Jain left a comment for Michael Patrick Forth
"Hey Michael, I'm glad that you joined the forum.  I look forward to the conversations that it generates.  It seems like there are some good ideas brewing."
Dec 9, 2011
Ravi Jain left a comment for Nicholas Perrin
"Wow! Cami sure has tamed you.   By the way, I've got Torrance on my mind.  Weren't you reading through some of his work?  Very good stuff."
Dec 9, 2011
Ravi Jain replied to William Carey's discussion What's your favorite piece of math? in the group Math & Science Teachers
"I've found a couple of interesting problems lately.  One is the idea of the Isochrone which was an early problem in the calculus.  Can you build a ramp such that no matter where you drop a ball it will take the same time to slide down…"
Dec 2, 2011
Ravi Jain left a comment for Jesse Hake
"Great to see a picture of your family too.  And I had forgotten about the Taiwan connection.  Do you speak any Chinese?"
Oct 12, 2011
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"And great to see a picture of your family."
Oct 5, 2011
Jesse Hake left a comment for Ravi Jain
"First rate hobbies!"
Oct 5, 2011

Profile Information

Name of School
The Geneva School
Subjects You Teach
Calculus, Physics, Natural Philosophy, Quadrivium
Academic Interests
Trinitarian Metaphysics
Hobbies and Other Interests
Guitar, Languages, Vinting, and Brewing
How Long Have You Been a Teacher?
9-12 years
Favorite Authors
Dostoevsky, Pascal, Gilson
Tell us a bit about yourself--a brief bio
I graduated from Davidson College as a pre-med, political science major having also served as a teaching assistant in physics and ancient Greek. I worked at various churches in my twenties before receiving an M.A. from Reformed Theological Seminary. I have taught AP Calculus and AP Physics at the Geneva School since 2003 in classes that intertwine the math, science, history, and philosophy in a Biblical framework. While at Geneva I have sought to understand and champion the role of math as the Quadrivium and science as Natural Philosophy in the Christian Classical curriculum. Since 2010 I have had the opportunity to deliver over 25 talks or workshops on these topics at various schools and conferences across the country.

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At 5:58pm on May 25, 2012, Joel said…

Thanks for the response (though it seems the end got cut off).

I'm technically not a teacher yet. Our first child is due any day now, and we will probably be educating our children at home. For years now I have been trying to learn more about the history of education both in order to give myself a classical education and learn how to give my future children the best possible education. And thus I'm also interested in figuring out how to do this, from birth on through secondary education.

I have been reading some primary sources (math and science and others). I've read most of Euclid's Elements, read Nichomachus' Arithmetic, and just about to finish up Aristotle's Physics. I also have no problem benefiting from non-primary sources. For example, I'm reading "The History and Practice of Ancient Astronomy" by James Evans. He references and quotes primary sources constantly, and explains what the ancients knew and how they knew it. And it puts it on a practical level, showing how to do the calculations to solve problems, and gives problems to solve. Sounds like maybe an example of what you do in your classes. I'm really enjoying the book. And think it will be a big help when I eventually dive into Ptolemy.

One aspect of using primary sources (or in general using history) that really appeals to me (in addition to the things you point out) is that the order in which discoveries were made in history seems to be about the best order to teach them. Even apart from the story of it, It forms a natural progression, each step logically building on what came before, and one can understand the observations/reasoning that result in each step.

I don't know what's required for AP. My high school didn't have AP classes. I had never even heard of AP until I heard classmates talking about it in college. I don't know what BC is. But I do have a heart for math and science. I have an engineering degree and a masters degree in computer science, and am looking forward to learning more of the background of my knowledge by reading guys like Newton and Maxwell.

So if I'm understanding what you are saying, the thing that's needed to supplement the primary sources is applying the understanding to solving problems. So for Einstein, for an advanced example, one could supplement with something like "Problem Book in Relativity and Gravitation" by Lightman and Price.

What you say regarding Euclid is interesting because, from what I have heard, up until the past century or two books like Euclid were the sole textbook (and the students read it in Greek). I guess the teacher would then be the one to supply the interpretation, guidance, and problems to solve. Like choosing which problems the students should solve, or theorems they should try to prove, before reading Euclid's solution/proof.

At 2:06pm on May 16, 2012, Joel said…

I recently listened to your talk on the quadrivium here: http://www.societyforclassicallearning.org/index.php/resources/media/2-2010-conference-recordings

In the talk you urge caution when teaching via original sources (e.g., Euclid for geometry). Can you explain what you mean?

At another point you suggest that original sources lack "academic rigor". Can you explain what you mean by that? Maybe some examples?

At 11:34pm on October 5, 2011, Jesse Hake said…
And great to see a picture of your family.
At 11:34pm on October 5, 2011, Jesse Hake said…
First rate hobbies!
 
 
 

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